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RE: strange behavior by my SawStop tablesaw - FrankAtl - 02-21-2025
(02-21-2025, 01:44 PM)fredhargis Wrote: Walnutguy, I know somewhere in here you said you were going to cancel the ticket you had with SS...and several encouraged you to leave it in place to see what they would say. Which way did you go, if SS had a reply I would be interested to hear about it.
I'm with Fred, I'm more interested in the initial problem he reported than the discussion on the technology in general. The fact that it lowered the blade slowly but didn't cut power to the blade is concerning.
RE: strange behavior by my SawStop tablesaw - thewalnutguy - 02-21-2025
(02-21-2025, 02:34 PM)FrankAtl Wrote: I'm with Fred, I'm more interested in the initial problem he reported than the discussion on the technology in general. The fact that it lowered the blade slowly but didn't cut power to the blade is concerning.Their reply was:
We are happy to hear you resolved the issue. If you run into any problems or have questions please feel free to contact us directly at (503) 582-9934.
The issue I encountered must not be very common I suspect that for some reason one of the connecting pins in the cartridge had at least partially lost electrical contact with the mating connector on the saw's frame, and my removing the cartridge and re-installing it restored a good electrical connection.I have no way of confirming thatl being the case. I just thought I'd pass this along to possibly help anyone else who encounters the problem as it's not included in the owner's manual. Apparently just mentioning "Saw Stop" triggers people to either badmouth the brand or defend it.
RE: strange behavior by my SawStop tablesaw - Ray Newman - 02-21-2025
Back in 2916, I purchased a 3HP ICS. So far, no trouble of any kind. This thread caught my eye and I have been thinking about it for some time. Then I realized after the OP removed and re-installed the cartridge, the saw operated without any problems. As the OP wrote maybe there was problem with the pins electrical connection?
Could not find information about this, but I did find on page 70 of my iCS manual:
“Although the brake cartridge requires no maintenance, the condition of the cartridge should be checked after approximately 50 hours of saw use. The cartridge is sealed to prevent the entry of dust or other contaminants into the [plastic brake] housing. While a small amount of dust within the housing will not effect its operation, you should replace the cartridge if a significant amount of dust is visible inside the clear plastic housing. This would indicate that the cartridge housing seal has been damaged.
“ WARNING! Never use a brake cartridge if more than a small amount of dust can be seen inside the clear housing. If sawdust becomes packed inside the housing, the brake may fail to activate or may activate more slowly, thereby resulting in a serious personal injury.”
Wonder if the above was the cause, or if the brake pin connection was loose/corroded, or if the brake was dropped causing a part to intermittently fail?
RE: strange behavior by my SawStop tablesaw - Tapper - 02-21-2025
(02-21-2025, 11:46 AM)Handplanesandmore Wrote: It isn't just here. Most woodworking forums (I mean moderators) avoid heated arguments -- even if it is not political or ideological in nature. Arguments turn some people off. Don't rock the boat, baby is the guideline. Over the FOG, for example, the thread is locked when a whiff of the US Canada tariff threats is sensed. Like it or not, don't rock the boat.
Simon
Sure glad I was not a participant in a "heated argument." If you re-read my comments they are all based in fact and logic. The "argument" part in SS discussions is moot when it comes to the safety device - it works as intended; just a fact.
Doug
P.S. In my experience, people who don't "rock the boat" at least occasionally, aren't doing very much.
RE: strange behavior by my SawStop tablesaw - Handplanesandmore - 02-22-2025
Doug,
I'm all for people arguing with convictions on the forums. It's far better than seeing little discussions that are happening across forums. Moderators are killing their forums either without realizing it or refusing to admit it. Look at the declining participation at this forum, at FOG, at Woodcentral and at Paul Sellers' blog.
Sawstop is one of the few topics that people are energized to discuss but then Ivan poured cold water when he thought he was doing his job. A good moderator encourages discussions not killing them. Maybe an AI would do a better job.
Yeah. When you don't rock the boat, you often get nothing but boredom. If this is what people want, they should not complain why they're seeing nothing new or nothing at all in days, if not, weeks.
People should just email each other and share their projects if they think rocking the boat is a bad idea.
Simon
RE: strange behavior by my SawStop tablesaw - Tapper - 02-22-2025
(02-22-2025, 09:04 AM)Handplanesandmore Wrote: Doug,
I'm all for people arguing with convictions on the forums. It's far better than seeing little discussions that are happening across forums. Moderators are killing their forums either without realizing it or refusing to admit it. Look at the declining participation at this forum, at FOG, at Woodcentral and at Paul Sellers' blog.
Sawstop is one of the few topics that people are energized to discuss but then Ivan poured cold water when he thought he was doing his job. A good moderator encourages discussions not killing them. Maybe an AI would do a better job.
Yeah. When you don't rock the boat, you often get nothing but boredom. If this is what people want, they should not complain why they're seeing nothing new or nothing at all in days, if not, weeks.
Simon
Morning Simon,
Excellent points all! It is baffling to me how some (most?) people seem to have this overwhelming aversion to any hint of conflict or disagreement whatsoever. Conflict is part of life. It's how you approach and overcome it that's the trick. Only through spirited discussion can understanding be reached. Many times on this forum I've finally said "well, we'll just have to agree to disagree." But only after I've attempted to present my point of view with logic, common sense and reason.
Vice President J.D. Vance nailed it in Munich. The thought police have had it their way for far too long IMO.
Doug
RE: strange behavior by my SawStop tablesaw - BrentDH - 02-22-2025
So back to the original problem….
I thought (not sure) that when the brake was activated it the the abrupt stop of the blade that converted centrifugal force into downward motion of the blade. I thought all the cartridge was doing was sensing “flesh” and then activating an “explosion” that jammed a piece of aluminum into the blade. I would not have thought the cartridge had any control over blade height at all.
Edit: I went to the Sawstop webpage and found this.
"After the blade comes to a stop, the blade’s angular momentum drives it beneath the table, removing the risk of subsequent contact."
So, this seems to agree with my original understanding that the cartridge doesn't really control the blade height, physics does, and it is either at full height set by the knob in front or completely below the surface at the bottom of its travel. So the OP's original problem makes no sense to me (not that I am doubting his experience but wondering if there is some other explanation beside the electronics).
RE: strange behavior by my SawStop tablesaw - Admiral - 02-22-2025
(02-22-2025, 09:04 AM)Handplanesandmore Wrote: Ivan poured cold water when he thought he was doing his job. A good moderator encourages discussions not killing them.
Ivan was doing his job; none of his comments chilled the discussion of relevant topics.
RE: strange behavior by my SawStop tablesaw - Tapper - 02-22-2025
(02-22-2025, 12:23 PM)Admiral Wrote: Ivan was doing his job; none of his comments chilled the discussion of relevant topics.
You are always welcome to your opinion.
Doug
RE: strange behavior by my SawStop tablesaw - gov.cheese - 02-26-2025
(02-22-2025, 12:23 PM)Admiral Wrote: Ivan was doing his job; none of his comments chilled the discussion of relevant topics.
Thank you.